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Tips and tricks of the trade

In this section you will find things that are meant to help you make your HO cars better . That's better running , better looking or just plain better in some way. Tips i hope to add are for tuning your TJET, Body work , tires , decals , racing tips and more . If you have a tip for us to share please email me and tell us what it is . If we can use it we will put it on the site to share with others and give you the credit for the info. 

Magnets by Jack ( KC Sheep ) Lamb

Magnets - depends on the rules
 
MAHOR Stock and Fray use same magnet rules.  NITRO Stock uses stock magnets as does VHORS.
 
Stock Magnet - normal torque tends to be coasty
Tuff One Magnet - little stronger magnet, usually more torque and a little more brake
JL Magnet - still a little stronger, usually even more torque and usually more brake
AW Magnet Series 4 or later - still a stronger magnet
 
AW used JL magnets until series 4 then went to a slightly stronger magnet.
 
The stronger magnets may take away some of the top end of your missile.  I race road courses so I need the brake.
 
With the stronger magnets in FRAY cars that is why they burst out of corners and tend to dive into corners.
 
Also, on the JL and AW magnets, you may need to sand them a little to easily fit in the chassis.  This is FRAY legal as long as it is not overdone.  Sand just enough so they slide in easily.  A tight magnet can cause the chassis to twist. 

Hope this helps, Jack

Arm testing by Tony ( Magoo ) Varadi

Before you decide on which arm to balance here's a great way to improve your chances of finding the best arm candidate for balancing. Gather the arms to be tested and find a slave top plate. A slave plate is stripped plate with no gearing to interfere with testing. Use a known good chassis , magnets and New x'd brushes . Place the 1st arm into the chassis arm cavity then slide the top plate down inplace and use clamp to hold in place. Free rev the arm starting out slow and increase speed as you go. Listen for the noise. Your listening for any grind or binding. If you have some that's too much set arm aside and move on. If it sounds ok then look for the spin movement . If it looks uniform and has little to no real wobble through out the range then it's a good candidate for balancing and you just may have a winner ! Now you can have a much better chance of a build that is very competative.

Good luck ,  Tony

It's gotta be the shoes ! By Bill Hall

Axles wheels tires are first around here. Junk rear stuff can affect the front too. I've adjusted quite a few unsquare chassis via tire truing and while they may not be a race winner they perform more than adequately. Unless it's a mile out of course LOL

1. Shortening the wheel base lowers the guide pin fractionally so snagging is a possibility. Irregularities in the slot trough become apparent. So check it out. It's not guaranteed that the floor of the slot and the track surface are perfectly parrallel. Just because the because grade is flat doesnt mean that the slot is or vice versa. Investigate and dress the slot floor at the joint and or the tip of the guide pin whichever is required. Only takes a thousandth to boink ya.

2. Yes. Springs should lift a gutted chassis. If not your current flow will be poor(generalizing here). IMHO unloaded spring behavior is too far up the assembly line to be indicative of final car performance, unless it's excessively over sprung. While the added load of the gearplate provides the greatest settling of the pick up suspension, in my observation the final outcome is affected by the weight of the chosen body.

In my mind there are too many variables in the final assembly to put much emphasis on unloaded springs.

3. Restrictions of shoe travel for stock chassis/ride heights may not be helpfull at all. Travel restrictions are necessary for altered ride heights such as fray modifieds. It should be noted that many racers add weight in the form of collars and exagerated hubs. This compensates for the increased stiffness of running a spring nearer to coil bind. The restriction adds preload to the pickups. While the preload can really help current travel it can exascerbate slot hopping and handling if the commeasurate amount of weight is not added to the front axle assem. Conversly the drag racers use a wheelie bar or skid to limit lift and keep things planted.

For stock applications shoe/spring tuning of what you have should be adequate. If you've determined that it IS infact slothop under throttle snap and not bad wheels or track irregularities, you'll have to adjust the spring tension. Dont forget that using a controller that isnt matched to your cars rating can contribute to the problem. If the car hops out any ole place on the track when ya crush the throttle your more than likely over tight. I like to remove half coil increments with the hobby knife.

Then if the car lifts lightly initially and planes out a little spring crush may be order. If it still lifts or stutters opening the shoe hook at the hanger plate can lessen tension also. Be aware that if you open it too wide the hook can bind in the hanger plate.

The trick to shoetuning is spotting what and when its happening AFTER the wheel and track issues are no longer assumptions. By carefully watching how the car behaves and WHEN, you can then determine WHERE you need to start. Light lift or slight stuttering can usually be massaged out without mods.
Radical slot hop requires spring mods or replacements.

It's a rather fine line for track tuning of stock setups. As you lessen tension your creeping up on limiting current flow and lackluster response and performance. As mentioned before some folks just add downforce in the form of weights or traction mag(s) like the AW Ultra G. Ya think AW fixed their QC problems related to handling?... Or did they just adjust the gravity of the situation too nulify the behavior? Not trying to incite a riot here...merely pointing out that there is more than one way to skin the cat.

Shoe tuning is really not a black art as is often argued. It just takes observation and time to sort it out. While the fray guys have established an optimum spring resistance. This number reflects tuning an altered ride height with the added benefits of travel restrictions and forward weight adjustments. With different operating ranges comes the variables that can only be addressed with experience and the voodoo you obtain by repetition.

Tips from Mike King


 

Hi

The purpose of using the wire brush on the gears is simply to de-burr the gears and get better mesh of the gear train.

with the wire brush running at low speed, i lightly press the wire brush against the crown gear (the one on the axle) without the gear plate in place. i do this for a few seconds, just long enough to get the rear axle spinning, and to lightly deburr the crown gear. if you watch, you can actually see the color of the crown gear changing.

then I move to the gear plate and repeat that on the small gear under the gear plate that engages the crown gear.

then i assemble the chassis (without magents and brushes)

then i lightly press the wire brush against the pinion gear. if you position the brush properly the gear train will spin. i spend more time on the pinion gear than i do the plastic gears. moving the wire brush around will cause the pinion gear to stop and reverse directions, smoothing out the gears in each direction.

then i move the wire brush to the interface between the pinion (brass) gear and the middle gear (idler). if you poistion the wire brush correctly the gear train will spin (once you get the hang of it, you can move the wire brush from one gear to the next without the gear train stopping). again, if you watch the idler gear you can see a color change as you deburr the gear. i am careful not to go overboard on the plastic gears. then i move to the interface between the idler gear and the last gear on the top of the gearplate, again being careful not to be overly agreesinve on the plastic gears.

before i start i oil under the pinion gear, so oil moves into the bore in the gearplate for the armature, letting the armature and pinion spin freely.

without the magnets and brushes in, you can get a really good idea how much or little friction there is in the gear train.
by axle bores i am refererring to the holes in the chassis the axle passes through.

the front holes are fine, but the rear holes are often too large for the axles, so the axles kind of flop around
Mike King

JLTuff one tips from Mike King.  The Car: JLTO chassis (grey, not the black R1 chassis). No body, pick up shoe glued in for testing.
  • Out of the box. Could not make a single lap without de-slotting. Rear axles holes particularly sloppy; lots of rear wheel hop.
  • Restricted pickup shoe travel with heat shrink tubing. Been using 5/64 tubing but recently switched to 1/16. The 5/64 size slips on and then must be heated to stay in place, the 1/16 can be forced onto the shoe, and stays in place without needing to be shrunk. Put o-rings on stock hubs, really lowering the front end (about 0.320). Best lap time: 8.3 seconds. Still hard to control.

oops! the heat shrink tubing is 1/16, not the 1/8 i first reported

  • Replaced stock rear tires with Weird Jack’s tuffy silicons (from a bag of rejects). Best lap time: 7.2 seconds. 15.3% improvement over Step #2.
  • Replace rear axle with a 1 5/16 wide drill rod axle; wire size 50 (that’s 0.070; a big step up from stock axles, which are about 0.062). I buy drill rod in various sizes, and cut axles with a cutoff disk and a dremel. I use whatever size I need to eliminate all slop. Usually that means I need to enlarge one or more of the rear axle holes. I do this by chucking the right size axle into another dremel (I have several dremels to avoid having to keep replacing bits) and running the axle into the axle holes. If the hole really needs to be opened up, I use some Simi chrome or rubbing compound. This is the hardest part of my tuning, as you want the axle to just fit. No slop, but no grab either. A good fitting axle will really reduce friction. It usually takes me about 10-15 minutes for this step, stopping frequently to avoid over boring the axle holes. 0.0625 axels (1/16 drill rod) will work with stock hubs (pressed on with a wheel press). If I use a larger axles, I either use different hubs, or I ream out the hole in the stock hub (I have had good luck using the axle chucked into the dremel; with the wheel holder removed from my wheel press, the JLTO hub fits in the opening in the wheel press, and I can use the wheel press to hold the hub while I ream it, letting me ream a reasonably straight hole). Then I use black max (rubberized superglue) to secure the hubs to the axle. Just a note, the replacement axle is smooth, and I usually have no trouble with the crown gear spinning. The replacement axles are larger than the stock axle, and the crown gear holds fine to the larger smooth axle (the stock axles have splines). I have screwed up a chassis enlarging the rear axle holes, but if I do I can usually just use the next larger size axle material. Then I use a wire brush (in another dremel of course!) to buff the gears, with the brushes and magnets removed, and the gear plate in place (with the gear clamp on, to keep the middle gear from shooting off to parts unknown). I am careful not to remove too much material from the plastic gears. Some people use Simi chrome for this step, I have found the wire brush works well, and is a lot less messy. After this step, the best lap time was 6.77 seconds, and the chassis was A LOT more predictable to drive. That’s a 22.5% improvement over Step 2, and a 6.35% improvement over Step 3 (diminishing returns!).
  • Added Fray style independent fronts (wider; 1 5/16 and weighted). I used home made fronts, you can buy them for $6-8. Mine cost about $2.25; 1/16 hollow brass tubing ($0.60 for 12 inches at hobby stores), standard flat head sewing pins ($1.50 per hundred at Walmart), stock chrome TJET hubs from